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Hébert Dell’Onte Larrosa - Montevideo - TodoElCampo - “To function well, capitalism requires a quality State. If the State is not of quality, capitalism expresses the worst of itself, "said Gustavo Grobocopatel when participating in a debate via video conference.

On Tuesday, May 12, the virtual debate was held: The Economy at the service of peoples or markets? On the way to meet Assisi. The reference to the "meeting in Assisi" is due to the fact that Pope Francis called a meeting with economists from all over the world, scheduled first in late March, then postponed by the pandemic until November. One of the speakers in the debate was the agricultural businessman Gustavo Grobocopatel, who made reference to the State, the market, the role of entrepreneurs, leadership and workers.

OXYGEN AND HYDROGEN.
When speaking, Grobocopatel leaned on concepts that the economist Zamagni had previously expressed regarding oxygen and hydrogen. "Perhaps the town is hydrogen and the market is oxygen, when they are separated there is fire, but if they come together, water forms and we can fight the fires that are being generated in society," he said.

"How could the market and the people embrace each other to achieve some kind of solution, or some kind of hope? How can the people and the market, together with other actors and ideas, build society?" He said, adding that capitalism is often accused of the problems we have, when in reality what is happening is that capitalism is lacking.

A "QUALITY STATE" IS NEEDED
And that does not work is because, “to function well, capitalism requires a quality State. If the State is not of quality, capitalism expresses the worst of itself, "he said, in addition to specifying that each country has its idiosyncrasy so it will not be" the same capitalism in the Scandinavian countries, in the United States, Argentina or China. . Each one has its cultural characteristics, but it always depends on the quality of the State that has an impact on capitalism, ”he stressed.

"Now we hear that the participation of the State is growing and it is welcome because only a group of states can solve, but it is not the same for a poor quality State to grow than for a good quality State to grow," he said.

But what is a good quality State? The businessman explains it: "the good quality State to which I refer is the one that makes public goods, that builds public goods and facilitates, among other things, the construction of the 'we'," he defined.

MARKETS WITHOUT MONOPOLIES.
The second point is that "there is no capitalism that works if there are no markets that work, and without monopolies," he clarified, because "the market is a construction of the State, it is a set of rules that are made to mark the limits of transactions. . When it is said that the market does not work, the responsibility for it not working rests with the State for not being quality ”.

THE ROLE OF BUSINESSES.
Another issue Grobocopatel made note of was the role of companies and entrepreneurs. "The companies of this new time are porous, with diffuse limits, companies that impact and allow themselves to be impacted by society, companies that generate capacities in their interest groups" that are their suppliers, customers, collaborators, shareholders.

INTERACTING LEADERSHIPS.
Leadership beyond companies is another very important issue, he defined, and it is "social and political leadership, how leaderships interact and complement each other: business leaders with political leaders and with civil society leaders" , all "to build that future that recreates the idea of ​​'we'".

THE DYNAMICS OF WORKERS.
Finally, "for capitalism to work well, the dynamics of the workers is very important."

"The problem is not only work", because it exists even when there was slavery. “The problem is working with freedom, it is employability, the possibility for the worker to decide freely where and how he wants to work. It is not just a work issue ”in itself.

UN NUEVO CAPITALISMO.
The producer pointed out that it is time to “reflect to recreate a kind of new capitalism”, even that “we can call it something else”, he suggested. I recalled that the environmental leader Marina Silva decides that it used to be that changing the name of things “so that the name also inspires something different from what we used to see” before, and this “does not seem to me to be a good idea”.

I say that “there are important points”, the first one that “the debates can’t do without a key cause of the purpose, for what we need to do”; and according to the "there must be this time, which we think could be a solution for 10 or 20 years with security that will not solve for this time the times that come".

“There are times when planning is reimplazed by permanent experimentation, there are times of pandemic that expose us to the feeling of something exponential that we cannot handle”, and there are “other pandemics” that “can exist but in the field of health as cyber attacks or others that come from other flanks that we do not expect, ”he reflected.

ACCUMULATION OF WEALTH AND GENERACIÓN DEBIENES Y SERVICIOS.
At the other point, enrichment was mentioned, generating goods and services. "The accumulation of wealth in an exuberant form is something that irritates in a particular way", and on this point made the comments.

“Nosotros we are talking using technology” (video conference through a platform of the National University of Tres de Febrero) that is probably based on the contributions that housed “many of these people who are the richest people in the world. They are people who have enriched themselves by generating useful goods and services for society "that" allow us to reach places and do things that we previously could not think (we could) do "; they are “many things that have been successful for connectivity, social networks, videoconferences that democratize access to the flow of knowledge that were previously unthinkable”.

“We are thinking about how education is going to be formulated” with the likelihood that “education will have a huge democratizing impulse in the future, through this type of technology” gracefully as it will not be necessary “to go to university, bell that the university goes to work, at home, to decide that they are changing absolutely the access to the knowledge, the access to the information flow, to the knowledge flows ”, subrayó.

And according to what we are in a “society of hope” that “requires a new capitalism”, requires “clarifying the purpose and a necessary contact with the world and what happens. It is not an exclusively technological theme, it is cultural, it is attitudinal, at the end of skills and knowledge ”.

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