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Again, turbulent days.

Once again, we have to endure until December.

And in December, what happens?

Argentina, again, can change course radically.

Why this fascination of ours to re-establish ourselves permanently?

Is it true that we are doomed to success or is it that we are simply doomed to start over and over again?

Where are we going? How?

What do we aspire to?

What are we afraid of?

What are we?

Who?

What do those who are doing Argentina think today, here and now?

It seems pretentious to answer all these questions, but we can try.

Two armchairs, 2 people, 2 ideas found. An honest conversation.

Gustavo Grobocopatel's pants are not those of a millionaire. Pinched, sober and a bit worn. They are similar to those of any agricultural producer in the area. They are not the pants that one imagines worthy of the "King of Soy" or the driver of a company that bills 700 million dollars per year and employs more than 700 people. Austerity as a path is the first message we hear from him before he opens his mouth.

The businessman, one of the great innovators in the Argentine field, was the first interviewee of "What are we?" In this new section of Telenoche we try to understand Argentina and reflect on how to get out of postponement and the eternal return to which we seem to be condemned.

With Grobocopatel we think about it from that great engine of the country that is the countryside. And in the coming weeks, to complete the panorama, we will chat with businessmen, artists, scientists, social and cultural referents, among others who make the country day by day.

We went to meet Carlos Casares, the Buenos Aires city where he was born. There is the headquarters of Los Grobo, where it employs more than 100 people, mostly young people. We talked to him in some sheds with silos that the company has a few blocks from the place. He maintains his ideas with peace of mind of who says and does what he wants because, he feels, he earned it with work. From an Argentine who has not yet shaken his immigrant blood. And his vision is hard, nothing condescending.

When he says that "we think we are richer than we are", he brings us closer to the concept he has of Argentines. A society that believes it owes more than it can produce, that has more rights than it can pay with its work. Deep down, I think he is telling me that we are not all the workers we think we are.

And when I think that with a society like the paint we can only do worse, Grobocopatel surprises me. He has a stubbornly optimistic view of the future and bases it on data. Projections of how it is going to be and what place it will occupy in it the new technological advances applied to the field.

This is the first interview of the series. In a country where less than two months after the elections we do not know clear proposals from the candidates and where the citizens - in 80 percent - take the vote as an act of faith, and have already decided their vote regardless of what Make or say your candidates. In such a country, listening to proposals, discussing and confronting ideas is a pending task. A job that we have to dedicate if we are interested in both the country and the future of our children as much as we like to repeat. www.tn.com.ar

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